“…we arrived in Sachsenhausen  and Sachsenhausen historically was a huge city, and at that time it accommodated fifty to sixty thousand inmates. It was practically a city. It was laid out in an arch where the street opened up, the barracks, hundreds of barracks on each of these streets. And, amazingly what I remember of each of these streets had the back of a barrack. A huge barrack, and there was one letter written on each of these barracks. So, and it read in German, “Es gibt einen Weg zur Freiheit,” so remember each letter was one street Es…E – S,…Es gibt…G-I-B-T einen Weg zur Freiheit…there is one road that leads you to freedom. Seine Meilensteine heissen:…The milestones are:…and then it started—gehorzah, obedience, hard work, honesty, decency, truth…and at the end it says…”Und liebitz une Fatherland”…and love for the fatherland. So, if you take all these letters of this one sentence you get the feel of what huge of the city, of the layout of the city. (Interviewer: So, if I understand you correctly, each barrack had a letter?) Each barrack when you came in there was a huge place where the inmates every morning had to assemble. It was called the uphel. Uphel means…taking count of all the inmates from each barrack. And each of these fifty or sixty thousand were assembled at 5:30 in the morning. And each barrack commander took the count. So within half an hour the chief commandant of the concentration camp had exactly all the count of all the people. It was run with a military precision, although it was an extermination camp. That’s unbelievable. (Interviewer: How did they account for you personally? Do you remember?) Ya. We got a number when we came and…when we came the first thing we had to do was shed everything and we get these pajamas, white and blue stripe pajamas. Which was the garb in concentration camps and in the back, you had cut out—the jacket was cut out and there was an insert, a red or green or blue insert. So, if you escaped, they could take aim at you. And, we got wooden shoes, and we got the number. (Interviewer: Do you remember the number?) Ya (in German) 123592. I also had a yellow triangle which was a political prisoner and it said “SL” which is Slovaki. So when you saw the number: One hundred twenty three thousand five hundred and ninety two, there was a yellow triangle that said you were a Slovak or you are a Czech or a French or you are a Danish or you are a Scandinavian or you are a Polish with a P. So the guard immediately could zero in and if he disliked you as a Slovak or as a Pole, he could let it out at you with veroisty. (Interviewer: Do you remember your father’s number?) Ya, it was 123591. (Interviewer: You walked together?) We walked together to through the process and we got and we slept together. And, we stayed in Ronianburg, and again Ronianburg was a huge camp. And Ronianburg aw we will see later had satellite camps. So, in other words they drained off maybe thousand, two thousand or three thousand prisonsers into factories or where they needed slave labor. Which was good because at least you weren’t marked for extermination.”