“And when we arrived, I remember we arrived Friday early in the morning. It takes about a day to travel from Harken to Berlin. I still saw the synagogue burning and I understand it was the oldest synagogue in Berlin, it was still burning or smoldering. (Interviewer: What was the train ride like?) The train ride was not bad. They didn’t bother us, they didn’t give us nothing but it was not bad. (Interviewer: Who were you with, anybody that you knew?) I was with the Rabbi Mr. Gottleib. I only remember we had to march around two hours from the train station to the camp and it was murder with the SS. I wasn’t used to that. I heard so many stories but I never knew that there were so many people on the SS who were really like animals, hitting people. I don’t know if they shot anybody but it was a horrible trip to the camp. And I still remember the sign. “Albreit macht frei.” There was a gate, an iron gate, that said “Albreit macht frei.” You know what that means, it means work makes free. If you work, you are a free person. I think to me, at that time, I figure I can work. I was strong, I was young. Whatever work they give me, I can do. And we had to stay on the apelle plots on the place where they admit you for many, many hours. It was horrible. People. There I saw the first people get killed. All the surrounding was with electric wire. And people got so distressed that they really jumped into the wire. And I saw that every day. You heard shots and such. I never saw anybody that really got killed by a gun, but I heard it. It was a horrible time. Lucky wise, the Rabbi was a really big help to me. I was crying and crying and he was really good. And he said Fred, at that time I was Alfred not Fred, he said everything will be alright.”