“So now we are in Dora, keep in mind whenever they arrange these groups, if they found out a father and son, on purpose they will separate them. They don’t want this commotion. But besides that, they would always put the little ones—the young ones—in front. The reason for that is because if you line people up five or less and you put a tall one in front and a little one in back of him, there is too much effort for the Germans to count to see if there is one of that guy or isn’t. Put when you put them one head higher like a picture, take a good picture and see everyone and put the little ones in front. So I was always separated from my father because he went by the number. I had fifty and he had seven something, seven-hundreds but then later on we would find each other somehow. So he was in a different barrack and on top of that he worked nights. There were two shifts, the night shift and the day shift. He worked in a very bad detail and the only time he could make any contact, any contact at all, is when he would come in and we would go out or we were still standing and their groups came in. He would station himself on the right so the group going out could face him somehow and maybe a blink or something.”