“Dora was a work camp. In Dora there were lots of factories underground where they made these big missiles, W-, no V-1, V-2. So all these prisoners, it was an enormous camp, we were working underground. So they took me when my foot was better, I was again sleeping in a barrack, another barrack, this barrack, and in this barrack, there was a lot of people. It was like the barracks you seeing today at Birkenau. This kind of barracks. And the hygiene wasn’t so good, so a lot of lice, and they didn’t have food anymore and I was going to this underground factory but not for a long time, maybe seven to ten days again and I was working on a machine. I was cleaning some screws where they were coming out of the press. And then I was really bad, I went back to the hospital. And I don’t remember what happened then but I know that I was working in a workshop, we were repairing socks like a tailor. And then every night, more and more planes fly over us bombing and there was again a transport and they took us to this train station and everybody went to this big open wagon. And we stopped and there was a bombing and it was near the wagon, they were bombing factories all around and no one would let us out of the wagons. (Interviewer: When you say wagons is it train wagons?) Train wagons, open car. And everything is like a dream because I don’t remember so good. I just know that it stops again and still I can’t stand on this leg, the leg is making a funny movement. And then we came to the camp again and the train station. When people saying I was in Bergen Belsen I was in this camp, they know now. In this time, you must be very good politically organized or have very good connections to know which camp you worked. Or you come and you read. I never know, now I know it was Dora and now I know it was Bergen Belsen, at this time I really didn’t know where I am.”